tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38074425.post4091787275487442911..comments2024-03-07T02:03:15.514-08:00Comments on Cursed Treasures: Historical Gamer vs Generic Gamer DiscussionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38074425.post-88954099768391511402016-10-27T08:29:57.218-07:002016-10-27T08:29:57.218-07:00@ John,
Yes I am speaking about Warlord and as al...@ John,<br /><br />Yes I am speaking about Warlord and as always, they have a UK biased opinion of how sales should do. What most don't understand in the UK is just how big the US is and just how small the miniature market is in the states. I just think that they do not understand the market over here. Thanks for the Belated Bday man.<br /><br />@ Robert,<br />You are spot on with that my friend, I would say everything is cultural biased towards the UK history. And last nights discussion about having cool plastic models for Plains Wars and a supplement would be awesome. I wonder if someone is working on that for Black Powder???<br /><br />@ Tom,<br /><br />I think that's what they are doing, looking at UK figures and trying to shoe horn US sales into that.Tim Kulinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15556960285841667223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38074425.post-88037768959919854232016-10-27T08:09:58.842-07:002016-10-27T08:09:58.842-07:00I have to assume you speaking about Warlord, and I...I have to assume you speaking about Warlord, and I am surprised. at least here in the mid west, Bolt Action has blown up like crazy taking in alot of former WFB and 40K players. While its probably true its just the game, and not that its "Historical" at least its a gateway...SAGA out here shares similar success. I do think think that , at least herem it seems the success is based around the popularity of tournament systems bringing players more so than "X" game. Old guys in basement are a dying breed for sure and I am not sure throwing darts at "X" Sci Fi or fantasy game hoping for hit is an answer either..In the end the I believe success is based on either an insane popular IP (i.e. Star Wars, 40K, etc) or a good set of rules..the latter seemingly what brings TT players together the system being secondary.. and Happy Belated BDay Tim, missed it on Facebook.JPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38074425.post-88519450828326788782016-10-25T14:58:58.717-07:002016-10-25T14:58:58.717-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Tom Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04070722615197466528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38074425.post-23914431050402656562016-10-25T14:58:52.838-07:002016-10-25T14:58:52.838-07:00All excellent points. Going back to the comment a...All excellent points. Going back to the comment about the company being disappointed in the US sales that started your discussion, I have to wonder what the company was basing their projections on. Just because they produce something, doesn't mean that it will sell...especially when there are other options available. Furthermore, if they based their US projections on UK demographics and geography they are way off base. You can go to a big UK convention on a monthly basis, and drive...in the US the conventions are fewer and farther between. Many UK clubs put on large games where all members contribute...things like this can drive sales...with fewer, smaller conventions in the US, sales don't get pushed as much. There are a lot of variables to the entire equation, but ultimately in my opinion it comes down to doing what makes you happy. In my case that means being primarily a historical gamer that dabbles in some fantasy h scifi gaming on occasion. Tom Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04070722615197466528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38074425.post-48301710332202881102016-10-25T08:56:50.632-07:002016-10-25T08:56:50.632-07:00As an American historical gamer much of my frustra...As an American historical gamer much of my frustration comes from the cultural bias of the vast majority of miniature wargames companies. Most of these companies are either UK based or have very strong cultural ties to the UK. There is a general disdain for anything American or non-british. The fact that Black Powder has yet to release a book for the Napoleonic era for continental forces is a good example of this. In fact, other than the recent ACW book, all the Black Powder books have had a British connection or focus.<br /><br />Don't get me wrong, I know there is really nor too much US history that translates into interesting wargaming material. The world wars, AWI and ACW are about it and WWI is really kind of a dead period in general. It would be nice to see some serious attempt for these companies to cover conflicts that did not involve the British. Eurpoean wars post Napoleon are a super niche periods that would make for some cool games but alas no British so no love. But if you want to do the Crimean War there are dozens of options.<br /><br />Even popular periods, like WW2, suffer from the smothering cultural bias of the British. Naturally, there is ample coverage for Russian and US forces for WWII in all scales. The Germans are, naturally, well covered with models. But their seems to be very few items in the British arsenal that do not have models and most actually have several different models available. The fact that it is so easy to find game info on Chindits, as well as several different models lines to support them is an example of this.<br /><br />Look, miniature is a British hobby plain and simple. There are hobbyists in other countries around the world to be sure but it is really their hobby. And if you are not into British history you have your work cut out for you.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446782807978825841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38074425.post-38206029249367201042016-10-24T22:39:54.855-07:002016-10-24T22:39:54.855-07:00Brian, that is a very good point, I too have done ...Brian, that is a very good point, I too have done the very same thing you mentioned. My current WW2 figures were purchased for Arc of Fire when those came out years ago. I have used the same collection for various rule sets that have come and gone. With fantasy and Scifi games you don't see that very often. Of course Mantic has done this for Kings of War now.<br /><br />I think another point is that non historical gamers like to be told what there backstory is. They really don't do any research into what makes their army except from what the company tells them. Now there are those gamers out there that do create their own back stories, but for the most part the non historical gamers want to be told what their back story is. <br /><br />I have a buddy that was big into 40k, he knew everything and had every book, he was a subject expert with the game. When Bolt Action came out, we tried to get him into it, but because he couldn't know everything about the period he choose to not play. He said it was too much information to try to become an expert at. So there are some gamers that do not want to do any sort of research on historical periods and would rather be spoon fed their background.<br /><br />Not slamming them, just noticing the differences between Historical vs Non Historical gamers.Tim Kulinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15556960285841667223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38074425.post-62081657473364623132016-10-24T11:09:01.342-07:002016-10-24T11:09:01.342-07:00Another factor I've always looked at is that b...Another factor I've always looked at is that because historical games are set firmly in history and not rooted in the background devised by the game/miniatures company, it is far harder to drive sales of historical miniatures. Once I've bought the core of my collection of WWII miniatures, then I can happily play many, many scenarios and switch rules virtually at will because a Sherman is a Sherman is a Sherman. Now there is nothing that prevents sci-fi/fantasy gamers from doing the same thing, but the majority of them don't. Historical gamers tend to make large purchases only when starting a new project whereas the tournament driven nature of some sci-fi / fantasy games drives repeated large purchases as those players decide to start a fresh campaign season with a new army. FOW latched onto this model and used it to drive several years of sales and expansion. Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07755752534647579558noreply@blogger.com